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Re: WHAT IF........?

#31 Post by Mike Peters » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:47 pm

shookler wrote:Could we settle this on an episode of PINKS??? or, like we do at the school when the bantering begins, take them to the grassy area between the parking lots and let them fight it out.

On a serious note though, why isnt Dave Morgan right in the middle of this. I have pages of notes from his seminar on shocks and springs. Dave, this is your chance, jump in here.........Tell em what you told us about shocks and springs.........

LSHook

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"Kickin it in this weekend!!"
Footbraker would have to run a whole lot quicker than he is to even get my attention. The grassy area between the parking lot scenario is no good for me. I don't want to have to go to the hospital to have a big pile of BS removed from my foot afterward. Why drag a fine man like Dave Morgan into Edward's cesspool of self-indulgence? You may be unaware of ORIGINAL 1320's semantics and carefully chosen words such as "quickest true bolt-on" A-body suspension. He'll whine about a car with true replacement suspension links and a weld-in anti-roll bar saying it's not per "NHRA rules". :smt022 BFD!!! Run the NHRA if you want and step off when it comes to the faster classes of the heads-up racing that are established across the country. We all choose a set of rules to play by and don't think you're something special because you've chosen a small group to compete in. When he can get past his personal back-patting and wants to step onto a stage where the truly fast small-tired A-bodies play, I'll enjoy handing out a thrashing. I've seen his BS spewed all over other forums and most don't appreciate his imperious attitude. Too bad because if he could get past his self-indulgence, he might actually have something to contribute to the racing community. Quickest red 3880# N/A bracket racing Chevelle, no trans brake, with windshield wipers, yada, yada, yada, .......ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :smt015
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#32 Post by mytmouz » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:28 pm

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Re: WHAT IF........?

#33 Post by Bob West » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:32 pm

Mike Peters wrote:
shookler wrote:Could we settle this on an episode of PINKS??? or, like we do at the school when the bantering begins, take them to the grassy area between the parking lots and let them fight it out.

On a serious note though, why isnt Dave Morgan right in the middle of this. I have pages of notes from his seminar on shocks and springs. Dave, this is your chance, jump in here.........Tell em what you told us about shocks and springs.........

LSHook

"Not knockin on 9's door anymore"
"Kickin it in this weekend!!"
Footbraker would have to run a whole lot quicker than he is to even get my attention. The grassy area between the parking lot scenario is no good for me. I don't want to have to go to the hospital to have a big pile of BS removed from my foot afterward. Why drag a fine man like Dave Morgan into Edward's cesspool of self-indulgence? You may be unaware of ORIGINAL 1320's semantics and carefully chosen words such as "quickest true bolt-on" A-body suspension. He'll whine about a car with true replacement suspension links and a weld-in anti-roll bar saying it's not per "NHRA rules". :smt022 BFD!!! Run the NHRA if you want and step off when it comes to the faster classes of the heads-up racing that are established across the country. We all choose a set of rules to play by and don't think you're something special because you've chosen a small group to compete in. When he can get past his personal back-patting and wants to step onto a stage where the truly fast small-tired A-bodies play, I'll enjoy handing out a thrashing. I've seen his BS spewed all over other forums and most don't appreciate his imperious attitude. Too bad because if he could get past his self-indulgence, he might actually have something to contribute to the racing community. Quickest red 3880# N/A bracket racing Chevelle, no trans brake, with windshield wipers, yada, yada, yada, .......ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :smt015
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#34 Post by The ORIGINAL 1320racer » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:18 pm

AGAIN Bob West KNOWS!

As for peter's comments... ANOTHER internet expert that attempts to down play what I have and what I've accomplished who doesn't race a chevelle and who's advice is verbatum what he read in a book, a magazine, heard at a seminar or was told! :roll:
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#35 Post by 40Coupe » Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:52 pm

Why all the bashing? Ed knows how to hook a Chevelle.
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#36 Post by John_Heard » Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:28 am

Hi Ed, welcome to Dragstuff...

Guys let's keep this focused on Tom's question, that's what the post is about. THere's some of the best A Body guys in the country contributing to this thread so he's in good hands no doubt.

Tom - what are your goals for the car? How quick are you trying to get it to run?

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#37 Post by The ORIGINAL 1320racer » Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:36 am

Thanks John and now there's the best! :wink:
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1.20 60 foot(footbrake)
8.95 @ 148.69
5.65 @ 119.82
3124 lb. '02 Firebird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbKYio6OvKM

1.28 60 foot
9.89 @ 134.93 n/a
6.26 @ 109.40
3870 lbs.

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#38 Post by John_Heard » Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:37 am

LOL Right off the top of my head I'd have to say Shane Stack would be that man, assuming G Body's are approx = A bodys with heavy stock suspension small tire cars but that's another discussion.

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#39 Post by The ORIGINAL 1320racer » Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:43 am

Don't know who Shane Stack is but I assure you he ain't and G Body's ain't A bodies, similar suspensions but so are mustangs and neither have the wheel base or weight bias issues of 60+% on the nose!

The FACT is the best in the country when the conversation is small tired GM A bodies is none other than Alf Weibe and he ain't posting on the net nor or any of the who's who's of chassis builders!

That said, you need less than the 5 fingers on one hand to count the number of small tire Chevelles that have run 1.28 60 foot no mind n/a at 3880 lbs. ALL steel with a pump gas 700+HP of only 468 cubes with a totally bolt on suspension and real 10.5 tires!!!!
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1.20 60 foot(footbrake)
8.95 @ 148.69
5.65 @ 119.82
3124 lb. '02 Firebird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbKYio6OvKM

1.28 60 foot
9.89 @ 134.93 n/a
6.26 @ 109.40
3870 lbs.

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#40 Post by John_Heard » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:41 am

Stack's got to the best of my knowledge the fastest stock suspension A/G body small tire car around, and it isn't an Alf Weibe suspension. But I'm sure that Alf's setup is a nice setup for certain combinations like yours Ed.

Feel free to start another thread about who's the fastest A/G body setup or whatever, let's keep this one on Tom's issues.

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#41 Post by The ORIGINAL 1320racer » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:44 am

Tell me more about this "stock" suspension G body that surely has an anti roll bar welded in at a minimum and specifically what it weighs and what it 60 foots with it's hair dryer that spins the tire like all turbo cars! :roll:

While we're at it lets talk about the quickest/fastest stock suspension mustang too! :roll:

Both of which have NOTHING of relevance to this posters car, question, power and ET's!!
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1.20 60 foot(footbrake)
8.95 @ 148.69
5.65 @ 119.82
3124 lb. '02 Firebird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbKYio6OvKM

1.28 60 foot
9.89 @ 134.93 n/a
6.26 @ 109.40
3870 lbs.

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#42 Post by gearjammer » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:02 am

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Re: 66 GM A-body rear suspension

#43 Post by gearjammer » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:24 am

Tom Syron wrote:I have 66 GTO with about 625 hp motor. I have Hotshkis rear adjustable upper and lower control arms, Moroso front drag springs, CE adjustable shocks front and rear. The car runs low 11 sec with a 30"X9" slick.
What is the best way to get the car hook better?
What upgrades could I make?
Thanks Tom
Tom Welcome to DRAGSTUFF, Sounds like you have a very good start on your combo, do you have any video of the car during the launch that would be very helpful in seeing just what the GTO is doing.

How much front end travel do you have?

Which Moroso front coil spring are you running?

What adjustment do you have your rear shocks currently set on?

How much tire pressure are you running, front and rear?

What kind of slicks are you running?

Upon launch how does your car react, example: does it hook off the line then unload the rear tires at any point, or does it spin off the line and hook up later. this will help us try to help find a base line for you.

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#44 Post by The ORIGINAL 1320racer » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:28 am

gearjammer wrote:I canb tell you this much You don't have the BEST working stock type Chevelle suspension in the Country because WE DRAGSTUFF" has several Great working stock type Chevelle suspensions
You're wrong!

I say along with those that know including the who's who's of NHRA sportsman chasiss builders, some of the who's who of NHRA stock and Super stock racers, the who's who's of converter builders and tire manufacturers!

Best working means just that and it's measured not in the height of the wheelies but it's 60 foots!

THAT'S the barometer for best working small tire Chevelle IN THE COUNTRY as well EVERYTHING as it relates to quicker ET's n/a and I'm about to raise the bar to 1.27 60 foot!!

Find another nearly 2 ton n/a small tire Chevelle with any type suspension no mind a stock type/bolt-on who's performance is on par no mind better, you won't!

Hell find a 3500 lb. n/a, small tire chevelle that's on par!!

Oh and I see a 1.79 60 foot in the video not a 1.2x! :roll:
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1.20 60 foot(footbrake)
8.95 @ 148.69
5.65 @ 119.82
3124 lb. '02 Firebird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbKYio6OvKM

1.28 60 foot
9.89 @ 134.93 n/a
6.26 @ 109.40
3870 lbs.

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#45 Post by gearjammer » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:42 am

EVERYONE INCLUDING ME PLEASE DONOT CONTINUE REPLYING TO ED'S POST WHILE WE ALL TRY TO HELP TOM WITH HIS QUESTION, ED PLEASE CREATE YOUR OWN PRAISE POST AND WE WILL SUPPORT YOU.
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